VP Developer Relations at JP Morgan, Kody O’Connell joins the podcast. We talk about his time at Xero, Optimizely and how he’s improving the DX at JP Morgan. We discuss the article by Kurt Kempel titled Redefining Developer Experience, Why DX is the New DevRel. Then we wrap up with a lightning round where Kody answers the question as we exit the COVID pandemic: are large developer conferences overrated or underrated in 2023?